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Brian

thank you very much for this. i need to study it a bit so i have it in my mind tocompare it with the doomsayers on line.

But here are a couple of thoughts: what about "animal spirits" of the actual players, including the very big banks including the World Bank etc:

If the debt was a real problem, the fix would be to raise taxes...unless of course the rich are right that if we taise taxes they will take their money and go home, tanking GDP.

i am fairly sure that the "debt" they are projecting for the future includes the cost of paying for Social Security if the Trust Fund runs out. But the fact is that Social SEcurity is paid for not by the government, not by the rich, but by the workers themselves. Those workers can ensure that their needed benefits witll be there just by raising their payroll "tax" (really savings and insurance contribution) 2% of payroll. this would not even be noticeable, let alone a "burden." moreover it can be reached by raising the tax two tenth of a percent per year for the next ten years. Doing this would lower the projected debt by something like half (something like). If we had started the incremental change years ago when it became obvious that it would solve the problem, the incremental change needed would have been less than one dollar per week per year.

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Sadly, there still are economists who believe the Debt/GDP ratio has some meaning. It doesn't. The ratio tells us nothing about the health of an economy, nothing about the health of the government's finances, nothing about the future, nothing about the past, and nothing about . . . well. . . anything.

Go to https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/debt-to-gdp-ratio-by-country, which compares ratios for most nations, and you will learn nothing about any of the Monetarily Sovereign nations -- those nations that create and use their own currency. You will see sick nations near the top and bottom of the list, intermixed with healthy nations at random.

Some economists claim the ratio indicates a nation's ability to pay its bills. It does not. Others claim it indicates a nation's ability to borrow. It does not.

Federal "debt" (which neither is federal nor debt) is the total of DEPOSITS into T-security accounts. Most of those dollars are owned by private citizens or foreign governments, not the U.S. government.

To pay off the so-called "debt," the federal government merely returns the dollars in those accounts. The dollars always remain the property of the depositors, so returning them is just a transfer from one depositor account to another -- similar to transferring dollars from your checking account to your savings account. It's as though you claimed your checking account owed your savings account.

The government also could reduce the ratio simply by spending more. Every dollar spent by the government reduces the ratio. So if a big ratio scares you, demand a massive increase in federal spending

So please, please, please, let's have no more concerns about the meaningless DEBT/GDP ratio. Perhaps shift to a discussion about what kind of cheese the moon is made of. That would be more realistic.

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